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## Buttercream & ganache

If i wanna make cake then fill it with ganache (dark, milk or white) and crumb coat+ cover
all the cake with buttercream, which chart i must use? or how to calculate
it? would you please tell me? thanks
i wanna fill 2 layer cake, it means 1 layer filling, and 3 layer cake meaning 2 layer filling, i wish you could help me thanks

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If i wanna make cake then fill it with ganache (dark, milk or white) and crumb coat+ cover
all the cake with buttercream, which chart i must use? or how to calculate
it? would you please tell me? thanks
i wanna fill 2 layer cake, it means 1 layer filling, and 3 layer cake meaning 2 layer filling, i wish you could help me thanks

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Hi aya26

To calculate ganache cover and fill you can either use the site calculator here :

Cake Calculators

The calculator gives choices for size and shape of cake . Also for covering only and number of fillings.
….. or ganache charts here:
https://www.cakeflix.com/cakelife/carry-on-ganaching-new-charts-and-recipes/
The chart gives choices for size and shape of cake. Also for covering only and number of fillings.

One fill means, one cake cut in half with filling in between. Two layers means, one deep cake cut into three with fillings in between two of the layers. Or if you bake in shallow layers, it means three layers with filling in between two layers.

For buttercream quantities please use the buttercream charts here:
https://www.cakeflix.com/cakelife/buttercream-covering-and-filling-guide/

The charts are self explanatory by following the columns. They can be downloaded if you prefer.

If you have any problems just post again. Hope this helps. đź™‚

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-https://www.cakeflix.com/how-to-ganache-cakes-without-gnashing-your-teeth this chart is difference from “cover and fill two layer cake”? example total dark choco ganache & for 4 inch round cake from the first chart is 285, while “cover and fill two layer cake” is 313, actually the first ganache chart for how many layer? i don’t think the chart is just same like you said:(
-for the cover only ganache chart, is it for crumb coat and cover all the cake? how about the height of the cake?
– for the cover and fill 1/2 layer chart,how about the height of the cake? and please tell me how do you measure the height of the cake, is it based on cake pan, or before bake (the batter) or after bake + trim?
-buttercream chart:
1)what do you mean by depth of the cake? do you mean the height of the cake before bake or after bake and being trimmed?
2) the buttercream chart shows the total of butter + icing sugar right? but how do you measure it? is it from (before mixing buttercream) weigh each the butter + icing sugar = weigh in the chart, or is it weigh of the finished buttercream (make buttercream > finish > weigh)?
please explain to me further thanks

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As I have explained in you ganache chart question
-https://www.cakeflix.com/how-to-ganache-cakes-without-gnashing-your-teeth
is for one layer fill and crumb coat cover for a cake baked to the height of between 2.5″ – 3″ deep.

https://www.cakeflix.com/cakelife/carry-on-ganaching-new-charts-and-recipes/ is for finished cake height between 3″ – 4″.

For the cover only is for ganache crumb coat when using another type of filling.

The charts do not take in to account any trimming. The quantities are just basic guides. You may need to make a little more if you like to crumb coat and fill generously.

The buttercream weight and measure is based on Paul’s buttercream tutorial as highlighted in the blog.

Using Buttercream – How to use buttercream

(The recipe is in the ingredients tab below his tutorial.) The charts show finished weight.

Again this is just a guide and not a definitive. It depends on how generous you like to fill and crumbcoat.

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So, just to make sure
1) the ganache chart is just limited for crumbcoat, not covering all of the cake?
2) finished weight of buttercream means after finished making the buttercream, then i will be able to weigh it? if that’s so how do i know the weigh of the butter & icing sugar before being weigh?
3) is the buttercream until for crumb coat cake too?
4) base on your exprecience do the ganache and buttercream
enough to just crumb coat or maybe you can cover all the cake?

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1) Ganache charts give you a choice

a) crumbcoat/cover only
b) for the Covering and 1 Filled Layer
c) for the Covering and 2 Filled Layers

You may find using the calculator less confusing https://www.cakeflix.com/ganache-calculator
Choose the size and shape cake and select the number of fillings you require and it will calculate it for you.

BUTTERCREAM

a) Finished weight of buttercream is the combined weight of the butter and powdered sugar.

b) Ingredient for the basic buttercream recipe for an 8″ round cake 3″ deep can be found under the buttercream tutorial in the link in my previous answer. Use the chart for the size you require for each separate cake.

Buttercream can be used as an alternative medium for crumbcoating and filling cakes if you prefer.

To cover all the cakes it is necessary to make ganache or buttercream for individual cakes according to their sizes.